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oroborostwo 44M
80 posts
9/26/2014 4:12 pm

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10/12/2014 8:29 am
Highly Controversial Question
So I was getting my hair cut today and the hairdressers were talking about celebrity stuff. Not of any interest to me but I nodded and smiled as one on the girls was quite cute. They were saying about a male "celebrity" (who will remain nameless, no one likes being sued) who was sleeping with someone who was born a man but had an operation to change gender. This "Celeb" was adamant he was not gay.

This got me thinking about the whole issue. I am a scientist so the way I look at it is that if you have a Y chromosome then you are a man, if you have two X's then you are a women. Any change to plumbing made by a doctor is just aesthetic and any drugs taken just mask nature. This is my personal unemotional view point, I am not making judgement on anyone not happy in the skin they were born in.

So the question is in two parts
A In the example given is the person who had the "gender changing" operation still a man?
B Should any person that has undergone "gender changing" operations be forced by law to inform any prospective sexual partner?

And just to make this even harder to answer I'd like to see the difference in opinion between men and women. For clarification in this case I'm talking about gender at birth as defined above.
I'm a Man: No to A; No to B
I'm a Man: No to A; Yes to B
I'm a Man: Yes to A; No to B
I'm a Man: Yes to A; Yes to B
I'm a Woman: No to A; No to B
I'm a Woman: No to A; Yes to B
I'm a Woman: Yes to A; No to B
I'm a Woman: Yes to A; Yes to B

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rm_HanlinMG 51M
4 posts
9/26/2014 5:33 pm

 This is an interesting topic. From a legal perspective I would say no to the question of a a law compelling disclosure. Laws are only as good as their enforcement. I do believe that it is the kind of thing one should share with a life partner/spouse but that is the individuals choice.

As to the other question... biologically... they have male genes... but in terms of gender they are what they choose yo be. Societal definitions of gender are extremely transient. God only knows how society would classify the individual you reference, but for my money they are what they became.


superbjversion2 69F  
24388 posts
9/26/2014 5:09 pm

 I think the gender changer while still genetically a male is not a man. I agree that you should inform your partner but it should NOT be legally required. The government sticks it's nose into too many things already.
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naughtyred1958 65F
816 posts
9/26/2014 5:07 pm

 This one is a technical, emotional, political one with law thrown in as well.

The following facts are true, I know as I was the lucky person that the person reported to so I know how it all went down.

Person born a woman, with the double XX's. Lived life as a Lesbian for many years. But then decided no actually there was a real man inside wanting to get out. So she wrote a identity paper up stating plan was to take massive male hormones and go through a number of surgeries: Remove breasts, remove all female parts inside. And from that day forward she was to be referred to as him or he. And could start using the Men;s bathroom. Not the woman's and no longer had to search out the one unisex bathroom in building.

Once the surgeries were completed, and the massive hormones a daily event underway. This person was allowed to go get a new drivers license stating now a male. I live in a conservative run state by the way. One of the reasons this was allowed we were informed was due to massive hormones, this individual literally had blood work that came back showing the male blood work numbers, not female. I thought that bloodwork did not show female to male but was told many hormone tests are done based on gender.

There is a funny side note to this though. The she to a he, was told by his/her lesbian partner if you surgically have a cock made and put on we are done. As she did not want a mancock in her only dildos. In the end, no cock surgery was done. And via the grapevine heard he/she it? Stopped the male hormones.

Trust me this is the cleansed version of went down in the workplace, got pretty ugly and never want to go through again. This case ended up writing new chapters in employee relations for the huge company I worked with.

To me one should come clean to partner. But I think how one thinks, and identifies with others is really not 100% based on the chromosomes we are born with.
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porterpiper1 57F
3755 posts
9/26/2014 4:39 pm

 We all change things about ourselves, but changing ones gender is a subject the partner should tell the other, To me they are lying to the partner, you can change all the outer things but you are still the gender you were born with inside, It doesn't mean someone will love you more or less but honesty is the best way.


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