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Political Correctness…  

khuXBFXM8u 62M
6260 posts
2/21/2016 6:36 am
Political Correctness…



…commonly abbreviated to PC, is a term primarily used as a pejorative to describe language, policies, or measures which are intended not to offend or disadvantage any particular group of people in society; in pejorative usage, those who use the term are generally implying that these policies are excessive. Political correctness just seems like civility to me. Civility is defined as, “formal politeness and courtesy in behavior or speech”. Is being too polite or courteous a bad thing? Some seem to believe that taking measures to make sure we don’t offend or disadvantage others is going a step too far.

A few weeks back I did a post on The Golden Rule. I was wondering if for the most part, people didn’t believe in it anymore, if “do on to other’s as you would have them do on to you”, was no longer the rule. Judging by the responses, most still view it that way, leaving me all the more puzzled. I’m puzzled why it’s become in vogue to rail against these basic principles; politeness, courtesy, political correctness if you will.

I wonder… is it because it takes some effort… effort to call a spade a spade, without a deliberate intent to offend? Or have we drifted so far down the slippery slope that our goal is to offend, when someone is different from us in appearance, station in life, hue, popularity, political or sexual belief?

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rm_PrisicaK 49F
479 posts
2/21/2016 6:50 am

Political correctness is an acknowledgement that we only have a surface understanding of people and issues and our intent is to maintain that level and go no further. Th point is not to offend but fail to engage


khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
2/21/2016 6:57 am

Certain engagement would facilitate a deeper understanding, but I'm not sure I'm completely following your thought

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spankandsquirt20 45F
10597 posts
2/21/2016 7:02 am

When it comes to political correctness I think it has gone a little too far. As a society we are so afraid of offending that everything now has to be politically correct, being IMHO too quick to jump on someone or something we might find offensive.
I notice this a lot in what they teach the kids in school, they are not given room to think for themselves, they are taught was is supposedly correct or not, and they are afraid of voicing an opinion in case they are called out of being offensive or wrong.

I mean sometimes we do need to call a spade a spade, but here seems to be no room for that anymore. While I have taught my kids to always think for themselves, to be fair and careful in their judgement of others, I know many people have never been taught this, and to me it poses a problem....since it seems as if we are now being told what is right to think and talk about and what we are not supposed to...


khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
2/21/2016 7:07 am

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Words can be weapons, and as the saying goes it cuts both ways. Free speech and censor... too many want to censor others, but have the freedom to say whatever they want. It just can't work that way.

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pal334 69M  
45821 posts
2/21/2016 7:08 am

I feel that politeness is very important. My only objection to being PC is that a group (can be a majority or minority of people) seem intent to make discourse to be homogenous and non controversial. If we do not share honest opinions, how shall people learn, or hear another opinion that hopefully can contribute to another's thoughts or opinions (hopefully to the positive)?

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
2/21/2016 7:24 am

I disagree with some of what you say, but some is right on point IMHO.

We should think before we speak! Unless the reason for speaking is simply to hear ones own voice, as opposed to effectively communicate. I do think that for the most part our society teaches us to follow, and not think. This just seem ass backwards to me.

We should always call a spade a spade. Admittedly, finding the words to effectively communicate can be difficult at times, but the effort is rewarded by keeping the discussion on point, rather than on the words chosen to deliver the message.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
2/21/2016 7:40 am

    Quoting pal334:
    I feel that politeness is very important. My only objection to being PC is that a group (can be a majority or minority of people) seem intent to make discourse to be homogenous and non controversial. If we do not share honest opinions, how shall people learn, or hear another opinion that hopefully can contribute to another's thoughts or opinions (hopefully to the positive)?
We do need to share honest opinions, but doing it a non-offensive is the only way I see it working. When you are offended, and your "back is up" are in a better or worse frame of mine to share and discussion honest opinion on a subject, especially a controversial one?

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
2/21/2016 8:03 am

    Quoting  :

One man's person's truth is another's lie, as the saying goes. But nevertheless, people should speak their truths as they know it. Hopefully it's based on facts.

But, just like free speech... do we still embrace diversity when others interpret or present themes on a subject we are passionate about, differently from us, or in a way that doesn't sit well with us?

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
2/21/2016 8:05 am

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Then it seems prudent to try and effectively communicate without swinging the pendulum.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
2/21/2016 8:41 am

    Quoting  :

More people are a looking to be offended, and ironically it seem like it's those who rail against politically correctness, who seem to be the ones most looking to be offended.

"Political correctness" is after all a term invented by conservative author Dinesh D'Souza's, who felt that American had go to far with regard to multiculturalism, affirmative action, and self-victimization. Even more ironic is witnessing the Republic primaries where you see first hand the various versions of political correctness being practiced, as they rail against political correctness.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
2/21/2016 8:42 am

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It is all about "me", Sis

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spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
2/21/2016 9:32 am

I've never fully understood the backlash to political correct language but, as the cliche goes, Rome wasn't built in a day!


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
2/21/2016 9:37 am

People reject political correctness because it smacks of thought control and speech police. In the end it doesn't change anything, because euphemisms and coded speech are substituted instead of the banned words and phrases. None of us has the right to not be offended. We still have every right to protest what we see as offensive speech and to point out why we see it as offensive. But how did we get from the Berkeley Free Speech Movement to political correctness?

Some comedians have complained that it isn't worth their while to perform on college campuses today because the politically correct students and faculty are waiting to pounce on the performers for the slightest perceived infraction. Social regulation is useful. Much of the talk and much of the language on this site would not have been acceptable a short time ago, and still isn't acceptable in certain social situations today. It depends a lot on context and venue. It could also be said to depend upon whose ox is being gored, but there is a general perception that too many people today are acting as self appointed and self righteous speech vigilantes, that they've got a rope and a tree and are just looking for someone to hang.

Politically correct speech is portrayed as primarily a liberal sin, but conservatives and libertarians have had a turn at redefining language too. Through a constant harangue "liberal" has changed from a descriptive term to a pejorative and "socialist" has become an expletive. We're no longer talking about ideas and instead jousting with barely concealed contempt at one another, banned words notwithstanding.

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sexysixties2 106F
39750 posts
2/21/2016 10:00 am

I think we have taken political correctness too far. Whilst I would never intend to hurt with my words I do believe in free speech.

I do think that some people are just looking for an excuse to be offended these days.


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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
2/21/2016 10:11 am

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It's a dizzying explanation... applied to this society and economic model, the brew haha around PC or non-PC, is just noise to avoid dealing with issues in a forthright manner. So, yes it has no real meaning.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
2/21/2016 10:12 am

    Quoting spunkycumfun:
    I've never fully understood the backlash to political correct language but, as the cliche goes, Rome wasn't built in a day!
You and me both

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
2/21/2016 10:20 am

    Quoting kzoopair:
    People reject political correctness because it smacks of thought control and speech police. In the end it doesn't change anything, because euphemisms and coded speech are substituted instead of the banned words and phrases. None of us has the right to not be offended. We still have every right to protest what we see as offensive speech and to point out why we see it as offensive. But how did we get from the Berkeley Free Speech Movement to political correctness?

    Some comedians have complained that it isn't worth their while to perform on college campuses today because the politically correct students and faculty are waiting to pounce on the performers for the slightest perceived infraction. Social regulation is useful. Much of the talk and much of the language on this site would not have been acceptable a short time ago, and still isn't acceptable in certain social situations today. It depends a lot on context and venue. It could also be said to depend upon whose ox is being gored, but there is a general perception that too many people today are acting as self appointed and self righteous speech vigilantes, that they've got a rope and a tree and are just looking for someone to hang.

    Politically correct speech is portrayed as primarily a liberal sin, but conservatives and libertarians have had a turn at redefining language too. Through a constant harangue "liberal" has changed from a descriptive term to a pejorative and "socialist" has become an expletive. We're no longer talking about ideas and instead jousting with barely concealed contempt at one another, banned words notwithstanding.
Well said... thoughts of a rope and a tree, have me thinking of the spelling and grammar police on this site.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
2/21/2016 10:25 am

    Quoting sexysixties2:
    I think we have taken political correctness too far. Whilst I would never intend to hurt with my words I do believe in free speech.

    I do think that some people are just looking for an excuse to be offended these days.

But does yours, mine, our belief in free speech remain when we are targets of undesired words?

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KItkat1415 61F  
20051 posts
2/21/2016 10:56 am

Here, Oh here here teacher! (raising my hand)
I can tell you why...
When you ASK if the golden rule should be observed, of course people say "yes" it was how we were all raised.
but PC? That is someone TELLING us that we have to act a certain way...
And for most people, they do not like being told to act any certain way.
Me? Being polite, being kind, being empathetic is most important to me.
Call it what you will, that is how I think I should act.
And I only have control over my actions, and to help guide my kids in being like that, too.
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sweet_VM 65F
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2/21/2016 11:22 am

I am whom I am and no way anyone will ever change me. I always try to be politically correct hugsss V

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sexysixties2 106F
39750 posts
2/21/2016 12:27 pm

    Quoting khuXBFXM8u:
    But does yours, mine, our belief in free speech remain when we are targets of undesired words?
People are free to say what they like about me...kind or unkind...of course I could be offended but I'm not likely to pull the PC card on them. I'd be more likely to thinks their words or actions were more of a reflection on them not me. However, I will admit that I am not likely to be the target of much political incorrectness.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
2/21/2016 1:16 pm

    Quoting KItkat1415:
    Here, Oh here here teacher! (raising my hand)
    I can tell you why...
    When you ASK if the golden rule should be observed, of course people say "yes" it was how we were all raised.
    but PC? That is someone TELLING us that we have to act a certain way...
    And for most people, they do not like being told to act any certain way.
    Me? Being polite, being kind, being empathetic is most important to me.
    Call it what you will, that is how I think I should act.
    And I only have control over my actions, and to help guide my kids in being like that, too.
    Kk
K.K. we're you that kid in school?

If it's how we were taught to act, and how we teach our children to act, whydo we seem to want to push back on it? As adults, are we practicing do what I say not what I do?

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
2/21/2016 1:19 pm

    Quoting sweet_VM:
    I am whom I am and no way anyone will ever change me. I always try to be politically correct hugsss V
Nothing wrong with that

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
2/21/2016 1:26 pm

    Quoting sexysixties2:
    People are free to say what they like about me...kind or unkind...of course I could be offended but I'm not likely to pull the PC card on them. I'd be more likely to thinks their words or actions were more of a reflection on them not me. However, I will admit that I am not likely to be the target of much political incorrectness.
I this day and age, everyone is a target

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redrockrascal 65M
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2/21/2016 7:03 pm

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That response is well beyond trivia – excellent background info. Political correctness is bovine fecal matter IMO and yes the way it is tossed around it means nothing. But it is a political buzzword now, used when politicians really have no viable answer – or clue.

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