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Circumcisions, yes or no…  

khuXBFXM8u 62M
6260 posts
4/5/2014 6:06 am
Circumcisions, yes or no…

I think if I poled every lady on the site I would be hard pressed to find any who would defend the practice of female circumcisions. It is a cultural practice that most (if not all) women in the west, see as a barbaric third world practice, which must be stopped.



I do enjoy reading profiles, and the one thing that strikes me, is the percentage of women who insist their male play partner must be circumcised. Although the lost in sensitivity may not be to the same degree as female circumcision, why is this not seen as a barbaric practice that must be stopped with the same fervor. Are ladies who are against female circumcisions, who will only play with circumcised males hypocrites?

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pal334 69M  
45821 posts
4/5/2014 6:17 am

A good question, I am circumcised, had no input of course. I really have no opinion either way. I will be interested to see what the ladies say

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tx_temptation08 60F  
14 posts
4/5/2014 6:27 am

A penis that is not circumsized is very very very unattractive. But, aside from that, when giving oral, you have to constantly keep the skin pushed back with your hand, and this does not allow you to do other things with that hand OR FINGERS, while still having it in your mouth. It's just a turn off.


sexysixties2 106F
39750 posts
4/5/2014 8:14 am

It doesn't bother me at all so long as the men is clean....oral is possibly a little easier with a cut penis but I would never judge a man solely on whether he was cut or not.

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spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
4/5/2014 8:52 am

I'm not circumcised. I think it's about choice though the element of choice is shaped by religious and traditional practices.


tigger678902 57F  
4545 posts
4/5/2014 10:02 am

OK HUGE FREAKING DIFFERENCE,
KHU I think I'm usually very balanced in my responses, but I'm a bit angry at the correlation you are trying to draw and I'm a bit surprised at this coming from you. Female circumcision is not anything at all like male circumsicion. A male looses some sensitivity, he does not loose the pleasure centre of of his genitalia.

I Prefer to play with men who are circumcised because it is familiar to me, and because it is so it's easier for me "to work with" and I find it more visually appealing,...because it is the model on which my ideas of what is attractive were based, those circumcised penises were the images available to me, when I was "Forming my attraction" to penises.

Now let's look at the historical practice, shrouded in religion, this was no doubt also based on the available "science" of the day which is how many religous taboos around food and body came into being, someone noticed a correlation between a certain practice and illness and as a way to put muscle behind their plan to prevent the illness and abolish the dangerous practice they dressed it up as an order from the gods.

OK so, its true that if one does not deal with an uncircumcised penis in an approprite way for a very long time one can run into some very serious complications. The barbaric practice of cutting off a small amout of seemingly "excess" flesh when one is very small and heals quickly seems somehow more managable than someone trying to perform the same surgery on a fully grown male who will need to be subdued, the chances of success being much greater with the smaller more easily controlled version. Keeping in mind the hygienne of the day, having a doting parent tend the small wound of a small infant for a short time would also be much more managable.

The routine non-religious practice of male circumsicion is being actively discouraged, instead of being a routine "medical service" it is typically now an additonal cost fee service and education is provided on why it is preferable not to have this surgery performed, as well as how to assist your child in maintaining a healthy penis.

So I would not say that women who say "cut only" are hypocrites as the two practices are completely different and perfromed for vastly different reasons!

I would say that women who say that, just like anyone else who limits themselves in such broad and general ways are being narrow minded and are potentially robbing themselves of new and interesting experiences.

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sweet_VM 65F
81699 posts
4/5/2014 10:25 am

One way or another you really can't change the guy can you. I do prefer a circumcised but that is my choice as long as it is clean .. No problem hugs V

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__Maria__ 58F
8252 posts
4/5/2014 1:28 pm

There is a huge difference between vaginal reconstruction and female circumcision, the later is a mutilation to mark and to make them senseless to sexual pleasure, while the first is to keep continuous well being and sexual sensitivity. Completely opposite purposes.

Male circumcision is a good practice sexually and health wise. Never being sexually with an uncut, the closest was seeing it and get out for me. Got my son fixed when a newborn by an urologist and its better at that age because will be least painful plus easier to take care of that zone while it heals.

I am not sexually attracted to partners with oral or genital piercings as well to "uncut".



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KItkat1415 61F  
20051 posts
4/5/2014 3:29 pm

Khu,
I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here-
I'm agreeing with Tigger- big difference between male circumcision and female circumcision. Female circumcision is to remove the ability to have any sensation so that the woman won't be tempted to have sex with anyone but her husband. Male circumcision removes some of the sensitivity (and how do you even measure that? A man circumcised later in life would have a different sensitivity than one done as a newborn. And if one only knows one way, how would you know if you would like it the other way without trying it? just a thought I had...) but not all. At least that is not the goal of male circumcision.

In most circles now, (not the religious, we'll leave them out because they are doing it for another reason) all my friends think it horrid that I chose to circumcise my son. I did it for a couple of reasons. To look like his dad, and because in 1998 (and still as of last year in 2013) there have been repeated studies showing that men that are circumcised have a lower rate of passing on STD's than uncircumcised ones. So for those two reasons, I had him done as a three mos.old (he was born premature and I couldn't do it until he reached a certain weight, which he did at 3 mos.). But I researched it for weeks before coming to that decision with the father of my son. This was not taken lightly, or "just because". And I did the same when it came to each of his vaccinations. I researched each one, and made independent decisions on each one and then chose to vaccinate on a different schedule than the one suggested by his doctor.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 11:17 am

    Quoting pal334:
    A good question, I am circumcised, had no input of course. I really have no opinion either way. I will be interested to see what the ladies say
Pal, there will no doubt be some interesting comments.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 11:25 am

    Quoting  :

The majority of North American men (I believe about 60+ are cut. It was the recommend practice up until the mid1990's, for "health" reasons, as it was believed to minimize the chances of urinary tract infections in males. So If you live in North America the majority of the cocks that will be seen (porn or otherwise) will be cut.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 11:43 am

    Quoting tx_temptation08:
    A penis that is not circumsized is very very very unattractive. But, aside from that, when giving oral, you have to constantly keep the skin pushed back with your hand, and this does not allow you to do other things with that hand OR FINGERS, while still having it in your mouth. It's just a turn off.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, and I understand foreskin rolling up can be a nuisance when performing oral. But the same can be said for having a large labia majora, as it must be held back when giving oral pleasure to the clit, so that finger are not free to do other things..

Should we be altering genitals without the consent of the person it belongs to, to please our eye or for the issue of convenience of the giver during oral sex?

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 11:50 am

    Quoting joesjuicy10:
    I've heard there can be sanitary issues with uncut, from women, too. I'm circumcised, like pal334 I had no say, so I don't know any other way to be lol.
Cut doesn't equal clear by virtue of being cut, and uncut doesn't mean dirty by virtue of being uncut. Cut and unwashed is still going to be nasty, and incidental contact by water in the shower, is still not enough. If it was, we wouldn't need to use soap when bathing, or to lather up and scrub our dirty parts.

Old wives tale my friend.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 1:16 pm

    Quoting  :

Hi Debbi, the experience will be different for the uncut man, but who is to say that the experience isn't more fulfilling than for the cut. With uncut, all the original nerve ending of the genitals are intact.

A surgical procedure will never replace proper hygiene.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 1:20 pm

    Quoting Smurfnturf:
    As a mother I felt very strongly about this when my son was born. I did not have him cut and he knows he always has the option to get it done if HE wants it done. His body his choice.
To me that makes perfect sense! The person who will be impacted by the cut / uncut decision, should be the only one who has a say.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 1:25 pm

    Quoting  :

Kinky, I understand your preference and feeling about having to hold some skin back. But as I said above, convenience should not be the reason for any form genital mutilation.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 1:28 pm

    Quoting sexysixties2:
    It doesn't bother me at all so long as the men is clean....oral is possibly a little easier with a cut penis but I would never judge a man solely on whether he was cut or not.
Sexy, good that it doesn't bother you, especially when you consider that uncut is the majority in Europe. Nothing beats proper hygiene.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 1:33 pm

    Quoting spunkycumfun:
    I'm not circumcised. I think it's about choice though the element of choice is shaped by religious and traditional practices.
The practice of genital mutilation is definitely driven by religion, tradition and cultural beliefs. The problem is most who suffer genital mutilation are not given a choice, were they should be the only person involved in the choice.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 4:01 pm

    Quoting tigger678902:
    OK HUGE FREAKING DIFFERENCE,
    KHU I think I'm usually very balanced in my responses, but I'm a bit angry at the correlation you are trying to draw and I'm a bit surprised at this coming from you. Female circumcision is not anything at all like male circumsicion. A male looses some sensitivity, he does not loose the pleasure centre of of his genitalia.

    I Prefer to play with men who are circumcised because it is familiar to me, and because it is so it's easier for me "to work with" and I find it more visually appealing,...because it is the model on which my ideas of what is attractive were based, those circumcised penises were the images available to me, when I was "Forming my attraction" to penises.

    Now let's look at the historical practice, shrouded in religion, this was no doubt also based on the available "science" of the day which is how many religous taboos around food and body came into being, someone noticed a correlation between a certain practice and illness and as a way to put muscle behind their plan to prevent the illness and abolish the dangerous practice they dressed it up as an order from the gods.

    OK so, its true that if one does not deal with an uncircumcised penis in an approprite way for a very long time one can run into some very serious complications. The barbaric practice of cutting off a small amout of seemingly "excess" flesh when one is very small and heals quickly seems somehow more managable than someone trying to perform the same surgery on a fully grown male who will need to be subdued, the chances of success being much greater with the smaller more easily controlled version. Keeping in mind the hygienne of the day, having a doting parent tend the small wound of a small infant for a short time would also be much more managable.

    The routine non-religious practice of male circumsicion is being actively discouraged, instead of being a routine "medical service" it is typically now an additonal cost fee service and education is provided on why it is preferable not to have this surgery performed, as well as how to assist your child in maintaining a healthy penis.

    So I would not say that women who say "cut only" are hypocrites as the two practices are completely different and perfromed for vastly different reasons!

    I would say that women who say that, just like anyone else who limits themselves in such broad and general ways are being narrow minded and are potentially robbing themselves of new and interesting experiences.
Tigger my friend, don’t break out the pitch forks, tar and feathers for me just yet. I understand how you could be surprised that such a post could come from me. I have never fit into conventional boxes very well in my thinking. Do I have a belief system that mirrors feminists? Certainly! Do I believe that “no” means “no”, even after penetration? Yes, absolutely! Even if someone says “no” when you are right about to bust a nut, you still must stop. I am an absolutist on some things, one who will also question certain things when the whole thing doesn’t make sense to me.

When it comes to the body, one of the fundamental principles preached by the feminist movement is a woman’s right to choice; right? HER BODY, HER CHOICE. Because the genital mutilation is less destructive with male circumcision vs the various forms of female circumcisions, should the same principal not apply here? Does an 8 day old male baby any place in the world, have any more of a choice in the matter than a 12 year old girl in Somalia undergoing a type III genital mutilation? Does the degree of the consequences resulting from wrong doing, (the wrong doing being taking away the choice of the individual over their body), make one practice acceptable and the other not? I just see it as two wrongs with different degrees of severity of the aftermath. There is no such thing as more wrong, or less wrong based on cultural acceptance of “normal”, esthetics, whatever reason is used to excuse the practice… wrong is wrong! IMHO

Whether the practice is viewed as sinister (female circumcision), or benevolent (males circumcision), it is still someone or a society taking away an individual’s choice over what happens to their body. If you say that you prefer a cut cock, which is genital mutilation, plain and simple, like it or not, you are supporting a practice which takes away an individual’s right. Because you choose to see it as a benevolent choice made by someone years ago, are you different than the men in the areas with female genital mutilation is common place, who make it their preference to partner with a woman who has been mutilated in a way they see as “normal”, and desirable?

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 5:07 pm

    Quoting sweet_VM:
    One way or another you really can't change the guy can you. I do prefer a circumcised but that is my choice as long as it is clean .. No problem hugs V
V you are correct, you can't change the guy, but the question still burns in my mind.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 5:26 pm

    Quoting __Maria__:
    There is a huge difference between vaginal reconstruction and female circumcision, the later is a mutilation to mark and to make them senseless to sexual pleasure, while the first is to keep continuous well being and sexual sensitivity. Completely opposite purposes.

    Male circumcision is a good practice sexually and health wise. Never being sexually with an uncut, the closest was seeing it and get out for me. Got my son fixed when a newborn by an urologist and its better at that age because will be least painful plus easier to take care of that zone while it heals.

    I am not sexually attracted to partners with oral or genital piercings as well to "uncut".
The health benefits are inconclusive, this is why "cut" hasn't been the recommended practice since the early 1990s. The facts are clear. Only 1% of uncut males in the developed world will develop a Urinary track infection (UT. Of that 1% ,30% to 50% have other genetically inherited traits, that will predispose them to have UTI, meaning even if they had been cut, it is highly likely they would still get UTI. Circumcision procedures can have complications, with the most serious being death. 1.5% of circumcisions will have complications.

So the rated of complications from circumcisions is higher than the rate of UTI occurrence. So even if there was conclusive evidence that cut prevents UTI, the net net is more harm than good. But the real issue is that a person's right to control their body is being superseded by a societal belief system. Just wrong IMHO.

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sweet_VM 65F
81699 posts
4/6/2014 5:32 pm

circumcised is what I like if I had the choice. hugs V

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 5:47 pm

    Quoting  :

World wide on one in three men are cut. Muslim country, Africa, Australia and North America is where it is most widely practiced. If you look at the developed world, North America and Australia are it. Circumcision is not widely practiced in Europe.

We accept a cut cock as "normal", healthy and desired here, just like the countries who practice female genital mutilation see their practice as "normal", healthy, and desired. Both are wrong IMO.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 6:27 pm

    Quoting KItkat1415:
    Khu,
    I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here-
    I'm agreeing with Tigger- big difference between male circumcision and female circumcision. Female circumcision is to remove the ability to have any sensation so that the woman won't be tempted to have sex with anyone but her husband. Male circumcision removes some of the sensitivity (and how do you even measure that? A man circumcised later in life would have a different sensitivity than one done as a newborn. And if one only knows one way, how would you know if you would like it the other way without trying it? just a thought I had...) but not all. At least that is not the goal of male circumcision.

    In most circles now, (not the religious, we'll leave them out because they are doing it for another reason) all my friends think it horrid that I chose to circumcise my son. I did it for a couple of reasons. To look like his dad, and because in 1998 (and still as of last year in 2013) there have been repeated studies showing that men that are circumcised have a lower rate of passing on STD's than uncircumcised ones. So for those two reasons, I had him done as a three mos.old (he was born premature and I couldn't do it until he reached a certain weight, which he did at 3 mos.). But I researched it for weeks before coming to that decision with the father of my son. This was not taken lightly, or "just because". And I did the same when it came to each of his vaccinations. I researched each one, and made independent decisions on each one and then chose to vaccinate on a different schedule than the one suggested by his doctor.

    Kitkat
Kitkat, to briefly paraphrase my response to Tigger; because the underlying reasons motivating female or male circumcisions are seen as sinister and benevolent respectively in western eyes, and one has a far more significant effect on reducing the pleasure one gets from sex, doesn’t make one acceptable and the other not. The underlying thing is, societal beliefs in either situation are irreversibly superseding an individual’s right to control their own body
.
With STD (HIV), it is actually the other way around; uncut men don’t pass STD they are more susceptible to getting STD from an infected woman, not passing it on. The trend has only been seen in sub-Saharan Africa and not in the developed world, or the rest of the world for that matter. If what is being seen was universal, it would be seen in the rest of the world, which is mostly uncut. The thing is; I’m sure that all parents (whether it is male or female circumcisions), believe they are acting in the best interest of their child.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 6:28 pm

    Quoting  :

Thanks.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
4/6/2014 6:38 pm

    Quoting  :

Intenda, it is not a useless flap of skin! It has nerve endings (not remotely as many as the clit), but it does contribute to sexual pleasure. Everyone seem to be focusing on comparing the amount of the lost of pleasure by each of the practices. Even if we just stuck to the argument of pleasure, should we ever support practices that reduce someone sexual pleasure?

My argument is, should society ever be able to exercise control over an individual's body, because they see the result as "normal" and desirable?

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